2024 Election Thread

This has been the quick response of Trump supporters for years. Trump never does anything wrong, and he won't tell you he did. It's easy to call bullshit, but I spoke on real issues in my post.

I've read most posts on this thread and some of the statements you've made like this one:

Don't sit right with me. Suggesting that my political stance is "too" heavily influenced by the media is a bit insulting, considering I didn't jump to speak on things I disagree with in your post in a way that undermines your political opinion.

But anyways, when Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022, a landmark decision that was upheld as part of the United States for 50 years, conversations on women's reproductive rights have continued to increase and it is frightening to see a response like that. You should care, at least enough to recognize that supporting Trump heavily influenced this decision.

Do your own research on the comments Donald Trump has made about women.

 

...that unless you're a native, it's thanks to a historically very libertarian immigration system that any of us enjoy the benefits of living in the Americas. Aren't you anarchist bro? You should be the first to understand that freedom of movement between nations is a very important thing. Biden's immigration policy is indeed absolute horse shit, but Trump's undoubtedly aims to strip away the freedom of movement of the immigrants who will form the future generation of Americans. This freedom of movement and ease of immigration is what this whole country was built on

 

The main concern I expressed was the gun violence crisis in America. Besides my comments about the character of Donald Trump, nothing should even be considered "regurgitated corporate media talking points." or treated as such when it comes to what has happened in school classrooms, grocery stores, churches, concerts for years. I would say most of my points are SUBSTANTIAL, especially when I mention the devastating result of gun violence in the United States. You can interpret my comments on Donald Trump and his supporters, rhetoric, etc, as you please but don't suggest that people who have different views about real problems are just repeated corporate media talking points. Not a good look.

 

Dude with all respect if you’re using End Wokeness as a source for your argument then you’ve immediately lost in my eyes.

Also a right-wing supporter if you can, please define the meaning of Woke

 

But dear God don’t let anyone come after your opinion, it would be insulting to your “work” if someone came to you with a response like this one you've just given me and continue to do to others on this thread with a different opinion.

Additionally, your own logic is this:

Mass shootings happen all of the time. It’s a crisis whether you are capable of addressing it or choose to be neglectful. We need change.

 

Mind expanding on that?

 

https://news.wisc.edu/undocumented-immigrants-far-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-in-u-s-than-citizens/



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https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2014704117
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"Using millions of historical census records and modern birth certificates, we document that immigrants assimilated into US society at similar rates in the past and present."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7508458/#:~:text=Using millions of historical census,in the past and present.
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As for the whole "civilized" vs "barbaric" thing, I think it just shows your own xenophobia rather than proves any legitimate point. There isn't Muslims mass raping women in the US or whatever the thing u linked was supposed to prove.

 

Okay. Whatever, not xenophobic; I'm not in your head. Mind addressing the empirical evidence I posted that proves your whole previous message wrong now?

 

Who gives a shit. Is crossing an international border without speaking to a border agent the only crime these barbaric foreign aliens that are getting imported en masse from the third world bring?

They come from horrible places seeking safety and data shows that they behave and get involved in society without doing any other crime than the forsaken sin of swimming across the Rio Grande. To me it sounds like we should make the legal immigration route easier and more accessible instead of limiting their crossing.
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This is literally what you guys were doing with Roxham Road, but whatever.

 

Take a breath redacted. I believe you. You're not a xenophobe.

I'll be glad to discuss Canadian politics with you should you ever give a shit. Besides, my girlfriend of several years now lives in america and has lived there all her life. I spend several months a year over there and I have done volunteer work in Louisiana. I'm not American and i don't live there, but I think I'm well versed as to how America functions as a country, what America's history is, how our two countries' histories overlap... I'm not qualified to speak of daily american realities for myself but it's pretty close to me. Do I have a say in this debate?

My country lets more immigrants in than the US does per capita, and my province alone gets about half of those migrants. Illegal immigration is more of a concern for me than it is for you and I'm doing just fine with my new neighbors.

 

As an anarcho capitalist you should be familiar with the concept of victimless crimes.

Ok I looked it up and what exactly does that try to prove? Looks like either a filing error or an ethnically ambiguous dude. North Africans for example are often dark skinned but not black, and the closest race US recognizes is White. Not evidence of a conspiracy to cover up crime rates.

My bad

Okay, apologies for irking you — must have misinterpreted you literally saying that you're open to foreign point of views in OP. I'll make sure to become a US Citizen before sharing empirical data from reputed US institutions about US sociology with you ever again.

 

Sorry, missed that part.

These people are going to enter the country whether you like it or not. Make the legal route and background checks more accessible and fast if you want them to enter legally. I don't know about the whole credit cards thing but I know damn well if you strip people of humane living conditions and accomodations before they're even able to find work, then maybe this nice data showing they barely do any crimes (excl. failure to report arrival) won't be so nice anymore.

Americans literally don't want to do the jobs in question and new arrivants are willing to. There is a labor shortage in most developed countries including yours man. It's not illegals that are stealing jobs, it's corporations that are not willing to be paying enough for US-born citizens to do the job in question.

Doesn't matter his race anyways, we're talking about immigration status here. Everywhere I looked, it was disclosed that this dude was an illegal. The picture you provided and the case you mentioned give no proof of conspiracy to mask illegal immigrant data.

The data I provided comes from research conducted by doctorates working at reputable US universities. These people have worked for decades to obtain their diplomas, hired a team of researchers, did field studies, and all of it is documented in the literature I linked. Unless you can find a significant problem with the method at hand or the data, we are both too ignorant to deny or contradict the numbers which come from scientific literature. Doing so insults both our intelligence and the hard work of these researchers.

I prefer to believe the scientific literature.

Yes I read the paper in question. I'm failing to understand why you shared it here though. It's a research paper with data that kinda goes against what you're defending.

For instance:
" The levels of migration needed to offset population ageing (i.e., maintain potential support ratios) are extremely large, and in all cases entail vastly more immigration than occurred in the past."

Thats besides the point. This isn't legislation. How exactly do the UN affect US immigration policy?