psa :)

There's been some threads about the trans bathroom issue and stuff and i've seen some of the terminology so I thought I'd make a thread about it

• It’s trans, not trans*
• It’s trans men and trans women, not transmen and transwomen—trans is an adjective that answers “what kind of men/women"—cis works the same way
• Never call trans men FTMs or trans women MTFs without their permission
• Trans is short for transgender, it’s not plural for anything—trans person and trans people are both correct
• Never use “born in the wrong body” or “used to be a boy and became a girl” or “biologically/genetically male/female”—all are just fancy ways to misgender someone (self identification with these phrases is different)
• Transgendered is wrong, so is “a transgender” and “transgenders”
• Being trans is not a sexuality nor is it a “sexual disorder” or any kind of disorder at all—gender identity disorder is not a real thing, and being trans isn’t a medical condition
• “Transsexual” is generally considered an offensive term and should never be used to describe someone without their permission
• Don’t refer to a trans person’s gender as their gender identity, it’s just their gender
• Similarly don’t refer to their pronouns as “preferred pronouns"—they’re not preferred, they’re mandatory
• Things like tranny, hermaphrodite, etc are very offensive

thank you! if you have any questions, feel free to ask

 

triggered
Jokes aside, I appreciate that you made this. Now people who aren't sure on the topics of trans stuff and all that (Because I'll be honest, it confused me too for a while) can get a better idea on what it is.

 

• If you know someone who is transgender -out or not out, doesn't matter- , please never ever share their business with anyone without their permission. It will make them feel like total sh*t, so please don't.

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Thank you Tyler for making this thread. =)​

 

Thanks for making this thread. It should clear up some stuff that people might have been unfamiliar or unsure about.

 

Quick question, if you're referring to someone as trans woman/man, which one do I use? Say, they were born a male but make the transition to female, are they trans male or trans female?

(Also sorry about the stupid question and if anything I said offends someone, I only know a few trans people personally, so I'm not too experienced with the correct terms and stuff, thanks!)

 

• Doesn't matter if they are in transformation or they aren't out about it. They are human. Always treat them like one. There are to many people out there that don't, so please don't be one of them.

 

I have a serious question, but I'm going to say something before I go into it.

I'm ok with trans people or people going through transformations.
I'm ok with people who are genderfluid.
I'm ok with people who decide their own thing.


This isn't designed to be an offensive question because this is one of the two hiccups I see in the transgender society.
I apologise if you believe it is but please take it seriously otherwise.

What happens if a transperson/genderfluid/someone with a totally undefined gender fills out official documents, such as medical, passports, bank, etc?

I'm on the side that stands "You can informally relate to yourself however you want but officially, please state what is on your birth certificate".
I do understand people don't like being "told what gender they are" but biologically, you need to be aware there are some cases where your body parts aren't your choice.
Medically, you can't go for certain checkups.
Genders exist for certain things, as I mentioned before.

Again, I don't have a problem with transgender people.

Edit: I just realised one part is confusing.
If you have had surgery to a point where your current gender is different to your birth one, that means you can put that gender.

 

They're a women/female either way.

People can get their gender markers changed in their official documents. Say if someone wanted to offically get a certain name on their birth-certificate or something they can go to a court office and get that handled. If people put their gender and not their given sex at birth they are able to state that they are trans when they have checkups and apts like that. On some passports from what I know there is a third box on the gender section that states "other". There are many ways to get around things. In today's society trans healthcare sucks.

 

Nice thread, Tyler. (^:

 

I understand what you're saying, but the whole bathroom problem shouldn't even be an issue. There's several ways to settle it the correct way.

Allowing separate genders in a bathroom together should not be permitted. I hate to say it, but you're either born a male or female. Sure, you could change your appearance and maybe even go through surgery. This doesn't change who you are.

What about that father who can't go into the women's bathroom with his young daughter? Then an older gentleman cross-dresses to obtain the "right" to enter the bathroom. He then waits for the little girl and you can only imagine what could happen next. We live in a sick world with sick people who would bounce at this advantage.

Transgender people should have a separate bathroom. Believe it or not, but not everyone is okay with another gender in their bathroom. Allowing them to enter the bathroom is pushing their beliefs onto others. This is like pushing a religion onto another.

Don't take this the wrong way. I have nothing against transgenders and I really love them. They're some of the kindest people you can meet, but a certain line needs to be drawn when it comes to privacy and beliefs.

Sorry if this offends anybody, but it's just my opinion.

 

You didn't offend me honestly. It's not like you were blatantly ignorant and moronic like some of the people I've met on Facebook. Jesus H. Christ.
I think the quoted text is a fair solution but I kinda wish people didn't even care and let trans people mind their own business.
I'm pretty sure bathroom crime is going to happen even if we don't grant trans bathroom rights, just like how violent crime will continue to happen even if we ban guns.

 

Before I say anything: You've all prolly used the restroom with a gender diverse person. And you have a gender neutral bathroom in your home!
I respect your opinion, it's one I hear a lot. There's several other ways to settle it the correct way with outing people, and without triggering people's dysphoria (with is an actual thing) Don't confuse gender dysphoria with body dysphoria ( http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/stop-confusing-gender-dysphoria-with-body-dysmorphia-al-1583049920 )
Non-binary genders are real and they have existed for a while now (they weren't just created by tumblr users, i find it hilarious that people blame a BLOGGING SITE for things.) and so have binary trans people, it's not like one day in the 90s whoever decided to add the T to LGB. When it comes to people being trans, it's science. It was a topic brought up at my school's GSA. A lot of people think it's a mental illness or something when it's not. That's wild right? Hate speech about trans people is more than just an opinion. 50% of trans youth commit suicide before 20. Yes, most people (I hate us vs them because that should never be the situation.) are cisgender(not an equivalent to normal.) but that doesn't mean there's gender diverse people. Cross-dressing/Drag is completely different from being trans.
They are not the same. Yeah, either way there's going to be men trying to enter the women's room, there's going to be women trying to enter the men's room. I always use myself for an example but whatever, I am a trans guy and I don't use public restroom. Trans people are more likely to be sexually assaulted because you know people. (Great!) The part in being trans is transitioning (not transforming, god I hate that) which includes social changes, pronouns, name, coming out. Physical changes, surgeries which are very expensive, hormones, clothing (which do not define your gender!! why do we gender pieces of cloth?????), haircuts, etc.
If you want to read up, here: http://minus18.org.au/omgit/omgit-web.pdf
I am not trying to enter the mens room to peek or whatever, I am trying to use the bathroom because you know holding it in (which a lot of trans people do because of the risks of going in) is a serious health risk.
The thing with trans people having a separate restroom is that cis people will one try to enter/ try to get the removed. They also would cost a lot of money, it's not like we can pull bathrooms from a tree. They would take FOREVER to be implemented because trans healthcare sucks, especially in the U.S. Trans men are real men. I am a real boy. Trans women are real women. Non-binary genders are REAL. We're real. (NOTE: I DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE TRANS COMMUNITY. If you're trans, feel free to express what you feel here)
Being trans is nothing like pushing religion onto another, it's not a belief. I don't even know what to call it. It's not even that big of a deal. Allowing trans people to use the correct room is a big step in one's transition. I'm going shopping this weekend and if I need to use the restroom I am going to Target. I am so thrilled to further my transition. I understand it's using the restroom but hey it's big for me.
People do need to learn about privacy! Being concerned what people have down in there which is what a lot of people are worried about is the real problem. They're the real pervs.

 

Thanks for the PSA but im a bit confused on this part?

Whats the difference here? They are both trans right? Like they are both spelled the exact same?

 

Trans* is an umbrella term that refers to all of the identities within the gender identity spectrum. But it shouldn't be used because
You see, there is no “trans umbrella.” Trans (or transgender) is the umbrella term. Transgender means to identify as any gender other than–or in addition to–the sex were assigned at birth (this includes identifying as multiple genders or no gender at all). That’s it! Saying that the asterisk is somehow “more inclusive” is like saying that some non-cisgender people aren’t “trans enough” to be called just trans. Often these people who apparently aren’t considered trans enough are trans women, non-binary people, non-op people, and those who do not experience dysphoria.
People who insist that there is a trans umbrella often include cisgender crossdressers and drag performers under the umbrella, and would like to include them in conversations about the issues and experiences of trans people. The issue with this is that it’s an example of cis people claiming ownership of a discussion on issues that they don’t experience.
Don’t get me wrong, cis crossdressers and drag performers (especially dmab ones) do experience a lot of societal pressure for dressing in a way that is not acceptable for their sex. However, if they identify as the gender that they were assigned at birth (but if they're trigender, bigender, etc. they would be trans), regardless of the clothing they wear, they are not transgender. Cisgender people don’t experience the same oppression that transgender people face every day, they don’t deal with a general population not believing in or accepting their identity. It isn’t right for a cis crossdresser or drag performer to say they share the same exact struggle as trans people, especially in a time when so few trans people’s voices are heard or taken seriously. Often times, the asterisk after the word trans can also be used to invalidate certain trans identities and call them “not trans enough.” Like sexuality, gender is a gradient, and there are many identities in between “man” and “woman.” Just because someone doesn’t fit into one of the binaries doesn’t make them not trans. Being transgender just means identifying as any gender other than the one a person was assigned at birth. And if someone–for whatever reason–does not want surgery, that in no way makes their gender less valid. Some transgender people want surgery, and that’s perfectly fine for them. But the ones who don’t are just as trans as the ones who do. There are trans people in all shapes, sizes, identities, and presentations. I understand that most people using the trans asterisk don’t know the meaning behind it and are trying to be inclusive. The fact is, however, that it needlessly excludes and invalidates so many people. We need to do away with the asterisk, whose creation was a backlash against trans women, and whose existence tells so many people that they aren’t “trans enough.” The word transgender on its own means to identify as a gender other than the one assigned at birth, and I don’t know why we’d need some asterisk to make it any more inclusive.
From, http://www.thepulpzine.com/the-trans-asterisk-and-why-we-need-to-stop-using-it/

you're still trans if you respond to your birth name
you're still trans if you sometimes slip up your own pronouns
you're still trans if you don't correct people who misgender you because you're scared or you just can't be bothered
you're still trans if you haven't felt 'trapped in the wrong body' since childhood
you're still trans if you only started questioning after discovering the internet
you're still trans if a traumatic event triggers you to question your gender
you're still trans if you dream of yourself with your birth name
you're still trans if getting misgendered doesn't feel like a stab to the gut because it happens so often that you're used to it
you're still trans if you've changed your name and pronouns 5000 times
you're still trans if you don't want to physically transition and you're happy the way your body is

 

I don't mean to be offensive at all, and if this comes out to be offensive it will be immediately taken down, but why can't we just have bathrooms for every sex? Whether you are trans men, trans woman, why dont we just line up 5 stalls and let people go to the bathroom, and leave?

 

Money issues prolly, a lot of people would disagree and other complications. I'm not sure. I think that it'd be easier to allow trans people use the restroom that aligns with their gender.

 

A more long-term but less cost-effecient solution other than the bolded one, which basically solves any other problems with Bathrooms that may happen in the future(Because people sure care about their filthy restrooms god damn), is Unisex bathrooms. Just larger bathrooms with no real affiliation other than taking a dump, accompanied by less space between the stall and the ceilings/floors. Companies like Apple and Microsoft are doing this, and tbh I think it's a great solution for reinforcing long-term effects.

 

Then please, tell me what to actual fuck to call these people then? Sorry if I offend you, but I find some of this threads contents a tad silly. Also, I've learned that transgenders are the softest people on earth, seeing as they apparently can't be called "transsexual" or "FTM," or "MTF"

Now, onto the Target situation
LOL, nice job target. You've successfully created the first pedo friendly public place! Great job! I fking swear, if any man goes into the bathroom with my sisters, I'm going to identify as an "over protective brother" and get him the fk out of there, entire set of teeth not included. I understand that they're trying to make everyone feel like they "belong" but they need to simply make a 3rd bathroom that includes a toilet, and a urinal. Then, if you've had an operation to change your sex, THEN you can go into the bathroom that corresponds with your new gender. End rant. I'm probably going to get banned now.






Thanks, Tumblr, only you could make something so simple, complicated.

 

Dude let be real here, you would get the shit beaten out of you, stop lying to yourself.

 

This is exactly what I'm thinking as well. There are so many stupid rules we have to use just to address someone, which is absolutely insane. Look, I understand they make a choice, but then people who have not made that choice have to follow a shit ton of rules because of that, I'm sorry but I'd rather ignore them or just address them wrongly.