Justice For Harambe

Discussion in 'General Discussion / Real life stuff' started by Lapis, Jun 8, 2016.

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Is it right or wrong to shoot Harambe?

Poll closed Jun 29, 2016.
  1. It's wrong to shoot Harambe!

    15 vote(s)
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  2. It's right to shoot Harambe.

    11 vote(s)
    42.3%
  1. Lapis

    Lapis

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    So, as you may/may not know, a boy fell into a gorilla exhibit because his mother was " not looking". The gorilla was shot and the mother wasn't even charged. Harambe, the gorilla who was shot wasn't even harming the child, just dragging him away from the screaming and shouting people. The mother wasn't paying attention to her son at all, so it's kind of her fault. There is a petition called "Justice for Harambe" and last time I've seen it the voter number( which is including me...) is 504,669 people. Wow! If you want to sign this petition ( Which I did.. I sign lots of petitions. Including that Youtuber Funko Pop one. Seriously, I would so want a Tomska one!) , this is the link: https://www.change.org/p/cincinnati-zoo-justice-for-harambe.
     
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  2. Phoenix

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    I really don't have an opinion in this to be honest. Like, it's a wild gorilla, he could be dangerous or aggresive and do stuff to the boy later on. But on the other hand, they could have just used tranquillizer? Why shoot him? I think it's bullshit to harm animals like that. So yeah, you got my vote? xD
     
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  3. TheMint

    TheMint Former Mod+ Donator

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    Yes, the parents were very irresponsible, the kid was seriously stupid, but this...

    You can't say this. Gorillas are extremely dangerous animals. The gorilla could literally take the kid and smash his entire body and bones. One thing the zoo could have done is to make it just slightly, or even impossible to fall into the gorilla's area.
    Gorillas are not little monkeys that'll give the kid a little bite. "dragging him away from the screaming and shouting people" could result in "killing him and reaping his bones apart" in a matter of seconds.
     
  4. Lapis

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    "Could" is different from "would". But still, you are right.
     
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  5. Dest

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    I heard that they wouldn't be able to. See it as you and a mosquito. If it stings you, you will slap with your hands everywhere and become wild. It kind of is the same thing with this gorilla. If it gets stung from the tranquillizer, it might get more mad and start swinging the little kid around. That is what I have heard, atleast.
     
  6. Braixen

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    I'm sorry? You're saying that a fucking full-grown gorrilla, that has enough strength to basically smash a skull in his hand. This was a male gorilla. He doesn't have parental insticts like a female gorilla. He has a territorial instict. That territorial instinct is to defend his land from intruders, no matter the size, sex, age, strength, or species. I mean, do you really think this is fucking winston from overwatch? Jfc. This really shows how low of a value we put on a human life. Now, I'm not saying that humans are fucking alphas and everything else is trash, but you can't deny our individuality. Our creativity, intellect, and our sociability when compared to other animals. Anyone who honestly thinks that the situation, given there is a possibility for a child to literally die, is not an emergency, is absolutely disgusting.
     
  7. TheMint

    TheMint Former Mod+ Donator

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    Kid let's see what you have to say when you're alone next to a silverback huge male gorilla that drags you so fast, without being able to do anything. Nobody would ever come down there to help you, because they would die. Would you want the gorilla to die, or die yourself?
     
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  8. Lapis

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    1. I'm not a child. 2. That's kind of rude.. 3 I wouldn't go down in the first place. 4. I wouldn't want either, because the gorilla wasn't hurting the boy.
    Why so rude? :-:
     
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  9. TheMint

    TheMint Former Mod+ Donator

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    I just don't get what's up with these petitions... sorry if I'm sounding rude, I don't mean to c:
    Like, why not complain about the zoo making it possible to jump down there? I do agree that the gorilla didn't do anything, but in a situation like that, action must be taken. They couldn't just leave the kid down there and have his parents watching him die... :/
     
  10. Lapis

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    Okay, I agree with you. Sorry for ( kind of) provoking you. I can get angry when people call me "kid".
     
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    Sorry mate xd
     
  12. YFIOTR

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    I really don't agree with the petition. There are so many reasons that make the zoo's decision to kill the gorilla right.

    The zoo has already thought these situations through with animal experts, safety experts, communications experts, etc. They know what they're doing, and they already had a reaction to this situation. They've thought through the consequences, and they know a petition won't hurt them.

    The zoo is there to entertain guests while keeping them safe. If something threatens a guest's safety even if it's a
    the zoo has to take action. Like people before me said, the tranquilizer is risky. If there's a possibility the child can be hurt or killed by the Gorilla, the zoo has to shoot it. Even if it's alike 10% chance (made up percents) the child will get hurt and a 1% (made up percents) chance that the child will die, they have to shoot it because they are not going to risk that time being in that percent. Safety isn't about taking chances, and if chances are taken, then the zoo can end up with a big court case in front of them. Then no one gets to experience the zoo if it looses too much money and reputation.



    Though for one thing, I really don't know what forms are signed upon zoo entry that address liability when jumping over the protection into an exhibit. It's possible that by saving the kid, the zoo can now take action upon the family for allowing that to happen if there was a liability issue whether it was a fine or ejection (possibly life-time) from the zoo. Also, it's more than likely that the zoo has warning signs all over the place that talk about jumping over the barriers and the consequences that will take place.

    Also on another note, say the zoo doesn't shoot the Gorilla and the child is rescued with no injuries. This could cause more people to make unintelligent decisions to jump into the gorilla area. The gorilla didn't hurt a child one time, so maybe it's fine to be dumb and have an experience of a life time jumping into the exhibit? As far stretched as this may seem, there are people that would definitely get the wrong impression.

    Say the child is killed by the gorilla. Now the gorilla is faced with killing (obviously due to instincts) a human being. If a dog mauls another human to death (not a police dog killing a perpetrator), the dog is put down (killed). We can safely predict that the same thing will happen to that gorilla. In this situation, the gorilla dies and child dies. Also, the zoo looks bad because it owns a "killer" gorilla, which the media would undoubtedly name the gorilla. The zoo looks bad, the family is not happy, and there are going to be people petitioning against the family in the name of the gorilla most likely (if the family pursues legal action). Everyone loses.

    Therefore, shooting the gorilla was the best option that doesn't take any chances of losing a human life and minimizes damage on the zoo's end.
     
  13. TrippyPenguin10

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    Silverback gorillas are actually harmless
    They would only harm you if you stared them in the eyes as that shows that you are challenging them
    I know this because my mom's friend went to Africa and saw one up front and was told not to look up at the gorilla

    The gorilla in the zoo was just treating the kid like it's own
    Nothing harmless

    The mom should've been charged for videotaping her kid and not even paying attention to her kid

    But that's just me
     
  14. XxLamprophyrexX

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    Ok so this is what i think.

    A big chunk of fault is of the mother
    For being stupid and not taking care of her child

    Another is the zoo for making it so easy to get in


    So here it is


    He didnt deserve to die
    That idiotic child jumped in.


    Just think for a little. Silverback gorilla or w/e they called. Those are FUCKING BEASTS. They can snap anyone in half. Its amazingly strong. Alright

    When you have a beast locked up. He is going to get very aggresive.

    It has nothing to do with the gorilla it wasnt his fault

    Hes a damn gorrilla he wants to be a gorilla and not be locked up. Things like this rarely happened and he got excited.

    Trust me when i say this. But the gorila had intentions of killing the boy no doubt about it.

    Now it did get shot. And people said you should of used a tranquilizer. Yes. But with its size it wont work efficently. Therefore getting shot at. Not passing out. And him getting enraged. He woulda killed the boy.



    No harambee didnt deserve to die

    But what other option was there

    Main fault is the mother


    Shooting it wasnt right

    But its what had to be done
     
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    i agree with most of what you said but you can't call the child idiotic xd he was only 3 and probably didn't know much about the enclosure and the gorilla.


    It's the parents fault for not looking after their child and videotaping him instead of doing something

    It's also the zoo's fault for having a really shitty enclosure, it was just a fence that any kid could have fell in
     
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    Ik i didnt mean to rant that far. But big chunk of moms fault. What i hate is that a lot of the internet wa ls bashing the dad when he wasnt there
     
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    Here's the thing.

    If you watch the video, the child was being hurt (albeit minor bruising, but it could have escalated). Yes, we could point fingers and say it was the Zoo's and that it was the parents fault, but whether they were guilty or not a human child was in immediate danger. The Zoo said it was too risky to use tranquillizer as it would take time for it to take affect. There was no alternative action which would result in the immediate safety of the child, and minimizing the risk to others
     
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  18. TrippyPenguin10

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    Everyone here has good statements