Logan Paul's screwup

I'd say there's no arguing.

And the last thing I'm going to say is that this discussion thread is kind of ironic. Imagine yourself in his shoes. He made a terrible mistake, yes, but the internet is blowing things out of proportion and being extremely hypocritical. All the hate that he is receiving could lead him to do something similar. You never know what's going on in someone's head.

 

If we had to first think about someone's feelings before saying that something they did was immoral, we wouldn't be able to criticize anyone.

 

There's nothing wrong with telling someone that something they did is wrong.
What's wrong is telling them to kill themselves, that they should lose their career, etc.

 

I've yet to see a single person saying that Logan Paul should kill himself or lose his career because of what he did.

 

Lol

 

“Not even gonna reply anymore.”

Lol

 

I disagree with you. You don't have to be an inconsiderate asshole when you criticise people. You can criticise individuals while maintaining a respectful, logical and reasonable manner. It's called being good at debates.

Proving your point, convincing and teaching people who disagree with you without insulting them is not that easy, but if you can do it, why not? It's better for everyone. :)

 

Why is this shit even up for debate? You're just giving him more attention.

 

Do you honestly expect the internet to just ignore this? Do you think the internet should leave Logan Paul be, even though he exploited a suicide victim's body? Leaving him be will give him justification to keep doing this kind of stuff. If he can get away with filming a corpse if he apologizes immediately later, what in the world stops him from filming a person drowning in quicksand? It's not violent, after all.

I'd maintain a respectful manner if it wasn't for the fact that we're talking about a guy who wanted to film a comedy vlog in a massive suicide site. Logan Paul needs this harsh criticism; I simply don't think any other way to approach him could get through his head. I sure as hell can write a 1.5 pages long letter to him telling him his mistakes and what he should expect to happen now, but I don't want to give him the expectation that this type of luxurious criticism would be handed to him whenever he messes up. He needs to understand that not everyone will root for him at these trying times.

If trivializing suicide does not warrant hatred, what does? Frankly interested in your opinion.

 

Well at this point the issue hasn't really been ignored. He's been getting a shit storm of hate. People are telling him to kill himself and others are saying that Youtube needs to end his career. He is also being criticized for his unthought actions. He obviously hasn't gotten away with it.
I don't agree with hating on him. I do agree with criticizing. You can do that in a respectful manner, as said above.
And although everyone is entitled to their opinion, is it really necessary for more of the same things to be said again and again? It's already been said thousands of times by people who aren't his fans, by people who are his fans, and by people's 27 trillion alt accounts on social media.

What he did is fucked up. He shouldn't have done it. He doesn't deserve the hate. He deserves the criticism.
Hating on him is hypocritical because hating on people can lead them to depression, which can lead to suicide.

 

The fact that you're completely losing your mind about the guy just shows that you're doing it wrong. If you can't maintain a respectful manner, you're hating, not criticising. Instead of crying about it on a forum or on YouTube (which is what millions of other kids who think exactly like you are doing), you can be the one with respect who criticises appropriately.

Maintaining a respectful manner shouldn't only be something you do when people make little mistakes. You don't have to be disrespectful to get your point into people's head.

There are millions of people who are hating on this guy right now, and even though he did seriously fuck up, you being one in millions who are ranting about him online does no good. He already got the point, you're just making the fire bigger than it should be right now.

 

Not sure you understand the concept of what constitutes hatefulness. When someone carries out a complicit act that's premeditated and relays it to substantially young audience - people criticising are not obliged to show respect to avoid "hurting their feelings" - inconsequential would be a way to describe that. Personally I don't believe in the mob mentality that he should be stripped of his channel and all other career prospects, but he shouldn't be shielded from disrespectful criticism in the slightest. The social construct that is the standard of reacting to the circus act in such a way at least acts as a reminder to further enforce it.

I wouldn't say exploiting suicide to further a YouTube channel imputes a "little mistake". Something minor done in the heat of the moment, perhaps can be; not something that was considered beforehand before carried out.

It's a discussion. As is the purpose of thread, not to fuel some higher purpose or bear any weight on the individual in question. I don't see a problem with his points, they are fair.

Personally the stigmatisation of the ordeal won't last much longer; will eventually fade into the occasional remark amongst people in his comments and nothing more.

 

I never said anyone is obliged to show respect. I said that what he's doing has no effect, and that the way he's laying out his criticism is ineffective. It's not a "discussion" if you're pouring out your heart and feelings when you're mad only to make the criticised individual understand what's already understood through harsh criticism, insults and threats. It's called crying.

You're completely taking me out of context. I didn't say what he did was a little mistake. In fact, I said he seriously fucked up.
I said that maintaining a respectful manner shouldn't only be something you do when people make small mistakes, but also when people make big mistakes, like Logan Paul did.

Which just shows these kind of discussions make no impact at all, and that people who care and want to make a difference should find a different way to express their opinions instead of ranting on the forums.

 

People should find ways of expressing their opinion...outside of an infrastructure that's designed to provide people the platform to do so?

I wouldn't say this is entirely true; your thesis is based off the premise that people should show respect in all forms of criticism: Maintaining a respectful manner shouldn't only be something you do when people make little mistakes. You don't have to be disrespectful to get your point into people's head.

As far as ineffective criticism goes; I thought his points were fairly articulated, not "crying". We're not here to give criticism that is effective; it's not meant to impact anything further than what extends on this forum. It's merely a way to engage and voice an opinion about something you wish to discuss. It's legitimate to disagree with what people say because you don't owe someone's perspective respect just because its theirs.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/stefanssonkarl/status/948638099575332864

The god of memes dissed Logan Paul.

 

the man the myth the legend
ROBBIE ROTTEN

 

They do anything for attention. Even if its bad attention its still attention and gives views.