Usa Election Poll - First past the post VS Alternative vote

Discussion in 'General Discussion / Real life stuff' started by JFMULI, Oct 11, 2016.

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With the current voting system in the USA, who would you vote for?

  1. Democratic Hillary Clinton

    39.3%
  2. Republican Donald Trump

    39.3%
  3. Libertarian Gary Johnson

    10.7%
  4. Green Jill Stein

    8.9%
  5. Other, please specify

    1.8%
  1. JFMULI

    JFMULI Greenest cactus of the world

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    So... I am very interested in the US election and in alternative voting systems.
    There is something called 'Alternative vote', which takes the fear out of voting.
    In the US elections, many people vote for the lesser evil to prevent the greater evil.
    I'd like to know what would happen if everyone would rank their choices and vote for the greater good. Then, I'd like to compare the poll with the comments. With ranked choice voting you can rank all the candidates (Please rank all 4 candidates!)

    So please leave a reply with the way YOU would vote if you could rank your choices from represents me the best to represents me the worst!


    Example Ballot:
    Candidate A 1st
    Candidate B 2nd
    Candidate C 3rd
    Candidate D 4th

    Edit: You don't need to fill in your 4th, 3rd or even 2nd choice if you hate those candidates policies.

    Example Election:

    If there is no candidate with a majority, then the least popular candidate is removed. And the votes will go to the second choice, then you take a look whether a candidate has more than 50%, etcetera...

    Carl Corrupt 45% -> 45% -> 48%
    Rob Racist 25% -> 25% -> X
    Gary Green 20% -> 30% -> 52%
    Jill Justice 10% ->X

    All Jill Justice supporters have Gary Green as their second choice. Rob Racist supporters are split between Carl Corrupt (3%) and Gary Green (22%). In this scenario, Gary Green becomes president.

    In this system, you might end up with a candidate who does not have the most 1st choice votes. An advantage is that this stimulates the candidates to be nice to each other and have a more constructive debate, because second choice votes matter too, so you don't want to be the last choice of a 3rd party candidate supporter.

    How does this voting system work:
    <-- Shortest&Most informative, but annoying.

    In case you haven't heard of the candidates.
    Then you can simply google them by name or go to this website:
    http://presidential-candidates.insi...Hillary-Clinton-vs-Jill-Stein-vs-Donald-Trump

    Maybe I explained too much and too many things that aren't needed, but that's just me :)
    Just ask me if anything is unclear!


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    The results after 15 votes from 1st choice to 4th choice.

    Candidate 1st 2nd 3rd 4th*
    Trump 8 1 1 3
    Clinton 2 0 4 6
    Johnson 2 7 6 0
    Stein 3 6 4 2


    *one person wrote in Evan McMullin as 4th choice, someone else had 'anyone who doesn't piss off leaders enemying us' 4th, then someone had Bernie Sander as their second choice and two other had no 4th meaning that vote disappears when moved.
    Trump is declared the president as he has >50% of the vote
    Stein is declared 2nd with 3 votes
    Johnson is declared 3rd with 2 votes + 7 2nd choice votes
    Clinton is declared 4th with 2 votes + 0 2nd choice votes
    Bernie Sanders is declared 5th with 1 2nd choice vote

    Evan McMullin and 'anyone who doesn't piss off leaders enemying us' are declared 6th with no votes.
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    T= Trump J= Johnson S=Stein Clinton=C X=No one/Other
    1st>2nd>3rd>4th
    T>J>S>C
    2
    C>T>J>S 1

    S>J>C>T 2
    T>S>J>C 4
    T>J>S>X 1

    C>S>J>X 1
    J>S>C>T 1

    S>J>T>X>C 1
    J>X>S 1
    T>J>C>S 1

     
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  2. KaiserVenom

    KaiserVenom Veteran Donator

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    Candidate A 1st: Trump.
    Candidate B 2nd: Johnson.
    Candidate C 3rd: Stein.
    Candidate D 4th: Clinton.

    Did I do it right?
     
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  3. JFMULI

    JFMULI Greenest cactus of the world

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    If you think Trump is the candidate who represents you the best and Clinton represents you the worst then yes.
     
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  4. YourEXBoyfriend

    YourEXBoyfriend Genderfluid

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    Gay rights need to be made so I have to go with Stein!
     
  5. JFMULI

    JFMULI Greenest cactus of the world

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    Who would be your second/third/fourth choice?

    Clinton is in favor of gay marriage since 2013, before that she believed firmly that marriage was between a man and a woman.

    Johnson supports the legalisation of same-sex marriage ''but allow churches the right to refuse same-sex ceremonies''

    Trump believes marriage is between a man and a woman, but who knows what he really thinks. He has a VP who is very much against gay rights.
     
  6. JFMULI

    JFMULI Greenest cactus of the world

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    Equally as bad, that's possible too. Noted down.
     
  7. KaiserVenom

    KaiserVenom Veteran Donator

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    Personally, I see that gays already have equal rights, I don't know why everyone is still complaining about it.
     
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  8. JFMULI

    JFMULI Greenest cactus of the world

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    Yeah, I noted down that you think all the other candidates are equally as bad and none of them deserve your vote. If Stein doesn't win, no one else gets your vote.

    P.S. You voted Trump under the current system, is that correct? Because he seems to be the worst on gay rights out of the four to me.
     
  9. YourEXBoyfriend

    YourEXBoyfriend Genderfluid

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    Jfmuli STIEN WILL RISE ABOVE!
     
  10. KaiserVenom

    KaiserVenom Veteran Donator

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    I'm not exactly sure where the direction of this thread is going, the orginal topic seems to have just jumped off a cliff.
     
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  11. JFMULI

    JFMULI Greenest cactus of the world

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    Agreed with Venom. And I'm pretty sure that you're a troll...
     
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    No I'm not a troll, how dare you?
     
  13. Syrian

    Syrian Former Mod x2 Donator

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    I'm just voting Trump, even if everyone disagrees with me :)

    Basically the same priority list that @Comrade_Venom has
     
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  14. ANumber2Pencil

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    Well after Trump's recent tapes and more people reporting him for sexual assault it looks like Hillary is the new POTUS.
    Based on FiveThirtyEight it gives Trump a 13% chance of winning the election at this point, whereas Hillary has an 87% chance.
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    But anyways just for fun
    1. Clinton
    2. Trump
    3. Johnson
    4. Stein
     
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  15. Braixen

    Braixen The Gay <*w*> Donator

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    Why not
    1 Stein
    2 Johnson
    3 Clinton
    4 Trump

    Stein is lit though, legit ripping FOX a new one on their own program. You go, Stein!
     
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  16. vipa

    vipa the hornace of death Donator

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    1. Trump
    2. Stein
    3. Johnson
    4. Clinton
    I absolutely do not trust Clinton, probably one of the most corrupt politicians right now. I don't really like ANY politicians for the current elections, but my (reluctant) 1st choice would have to be Trump, he wants to close ties with Russia, which I feel is really needed, not to mention, he wants to uncomplicate the issue in the Middle East, while I personally feel that Clinton would screw it up even more.

    I really wish Mitt Romney was running for president, he is one of the last few completely decent politicians left in the country, especially when the system is rife with corruption.
     
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    Candidate A 1st: Trump
    Candidate B 2nd: Stein
    Candidate C 3rd:
    Johnson
    Candidate D 4th: Hillary
     
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    1. Trump.
    2. Stein.
    3. Johnson.
    4. Clinton.
    I'm not the best at US politics as I'm not exposed to it and it doesn't air at my places so I can't see the debates and see what my views are, nor that I'm best at politics at all. But I think Trump would be best candidate to run for president.
    Not the best at explanations, especially with politics. But, that's the order that I think that should be implemented in a country:

    1. The country well being and bonds with other countries.
    2. The ecological system of the place to prevent any kinds of pollution, protection of nature with more supply of air so citizens could live more healthy.
    3. Governmental laws, that should be enacted and enforced(Is that the word? Not sure.), whether It's for the citizen's freedom or protection with the government laws.
    4. I'm not sure about this one. I have no opinion on Clinton, to be honest. I think, that just trouble will come along with her.

    That's my opinion, you can agree or disagree with it.
    I also respects others opinions, whether they're supported by facts or not.
     
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  19. gippy

    gippy DO IT Donator

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    1. Trump
    2. Johnson
    3. Stein
    4. 100% NOT HILLARY HERE PUT THAT BALD GUY NAMED EVAN RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW

    To be honest, Trump is amazing. He knows exactly what we need and can help us get out of debt. His strong relationship with Putin can prevent a big fight. I personally think Clinton knows how to fix this country, but isn't willing to do it. Stein and Johnson obviously have no chance of winning, but I do favor them. Stein is the revival of Sanders, and Johnson is the guy who is insane, just can't fix himself until he finds the truth. He just needs some introspection, you know? Julian Assange is a cool guy and his surprise for October was sadly moved to November. It will be a great leak and I am surely excited. Trump has been a pro in politics and business for a while, you just have to trust him. There is a lot of hate bandwagons out there. Yes, I do know about the Trump tape. He has given an apology to all, but look at Clinton? She owes America an apology for ruining it as the Secretary. Stein isn't gonna make it, she hasn't even reached 5% in the polls. If we get Clinton as our president then we mark a spot in history. The first ever criminal president and of course the last president.

    Politics right now:

    Johnson: "Is mayonnaise a foreign leader?"
    Stein: "I HATE POLICE GONNA RUN DOWN THE STREETS AND STUFF"
    Clinton: "Trump is a liar, but he speaks the truth."
    Trump: "I'm sorry, and I owe an apology to all."

    No one is good, but Trump is best. He did something bad, but he made up for it in an apology. While Clinton owes apologies, Stein needs to stop protesting on small things, and Johnson, horse radish isn't a leader either.

    Anyway, we're screwed if Clinton wins, if she loses we truly know God has his eye on America.

    That being said, this is my opinion. Please note that I respect your opinion and if you agree or disagree, don't go everywhere about it. You may reply or respond. If you didn't notice, I switched Johnson and Stein because I accidentally misplaced them.
     
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  20. JFMULI

    JFMULI Greenest cactus of the world

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    I counted up all the current votes, Trump clearly won. Yet, the poll actually has him tied with Clinton.

    I still would like to see more people posting their rankings of the candidates, I'll update the results. I included myself in the first result too. (Stein, Johnson, (anyone else), Clinton, Trump)

    P.S : I added the option 'Other' in the poll.