The 4 Problematic Sacrileges of This Server

Sorry, I badly phrased my argument, I did mean that in a past meaning.
My whole point about solemnity was that some staff members whom I shall not name publicly still, to this day, give out this "vibe" that they tryhard to get as many punishments as possible, most of which being in the higher register of staff power (therefore having "over-serious" behavior seeing the current situation the server is facing). I did associate this complaint to way staff members are (or, were) evaluated during my time as staff, and I'm glad to read that the evaluations are no longer the cause of this issue.

This, however, does not invalidate the original statement. Some staff members (therefore, the protocol) still enforce rules that are not adapted to the current small community and playerbase present on the server, and I am still convinced that this is why so many people (those who are familiar with said protocol) feel the wish to push said rules.

 

Giving my opinion is not expressing a desire to be an "obnoxious troll."

I guess many people did want the Creative reset. But still, in one of your comments you referred to this. The post was about making only one Creative server and putting the old 3 Creative servers in the legacy section of the minigames. Few or no people suggested to remove the old servers completely from the server. And evidently, the creative reset didn't do much at all.

It's not trolling to say that the owners are doing a bad job with the server. For the reasons that @hmj gave, Jerry and Harry clearly are just going for the cash grab and don't care about the server. There's additional proof to this: if you bought extra Creative plots in the old Creative servers, they will not be carried over to the new Creative server. This, in addition to selling "Plot Merges" on the store, just provided a greater incentive for Jerry and Harry to create a new Creative server. They're just thinking, Who cares about the quality of the server. I just want the money.

 

this was originally some massive speil about a fairly inconsequential point in this whole thread, but I decided to just leave that out.

however, while some of your grandiose wording is true, I think the decline of the server is frankly down to the decline of multiplayer ('modded') Minecraft. Did some decisions hasten the demise of the server? Possibly. Do the owners being frankly apathetic help matters? No, almost certainly not. But this would've happened anyway. The server you mentioned is an anomaly, it's not representative of the truth - and the truth is the new and returning players of the game aren't playing the archetypical minigames server. They're playing vanilla with a few friends, or they're playing the bedrock version (the irony is, my suggestion that Ezz linked earlier would actually allow MCPE support very soon). Sure, we can pick apart individual decisions that led to this, but here's the gist of it. The server was popular with way more Pay2Win mechanics, the server was popular with much stricter rules (as much as Dao may be lauded by some, his approach was hella strict) and the server was popular with a much more self-important staff team. These things have all gotten better, but the server has declined - I don't see the correlation there.

Saying that I do miss the nostalgia of it. There's a reason I've got working versions of AgarPVP, Spleef, BuildIt, CraftRoulette and Temple Run sitting on my computer (i was bored for a few weeks back when I had a bit more spare time), I love the memories associated with it. However the majority of the playerbase that left will never come back. If the server was to grow, it would be through new players, who don't give a toss about the history of the server.

It's sad, but unfortunately, that's the reality we live in.

 

Quite cute for someone who spends 15 hours on a dead minecraft server, but hey.. \_(ツ)_/

 

I'm gonna spit straight up fax here on my side, mainly with the staff side of things and such.

It's impossible to pinpoint exactly why the server is dead. There are dozens of potential factors that could have gone into it.
We could say it's because new minecraft players are being funneled into hypixel
Could be lack of interest from the owners, the lack of new content, minecraft multiplayer as a whole becoming less popular, pvp servers ruling, and so on.
It's completely impossible to save the server at this point; It's practically an achievement to get 100 players nowadays even on weekends, and it's only going to get smaller as people continue to lose interest due to the lack of a playerbase and keep leaving.
The only thing keeping this place alive are pretty much the open world servers (Skyblock and Factions) which have unlimited playability (Factions due to the fact it has multiple resets in the span of a few months)
The current minigames have run their course, even with the updates. OITC, KitPvP, HC etc. Have all pretty much run their course of "being fun" and have died out. The only thing I can see getting around this system is if we started pushing out minigames like hypixel (which is pretty much impossible since they have a shit ton of developers)

The reason 0 suggestions being accepted is simple: None of them will work. Even if a big youtuber comes on and brings hundreds of players, it isn't like the old days where they like to stick around. They'll simply join when the youtuber is there and move on as soon as they leave.

Thus, comes in my point about the toxic communities growing. The playerbase and fun is getting smaller and smaller, but you know what never stopped being a hoot? Trolling.
There are only two main things that really keep people on the server nowadays: Being staff, And pissing off staff; There's barely any inbetween except for players who want to be staff.
I was at the top, and I admit, it was pretty fun. I had my issues and eventually resigned for a few reasons, one of them just.. being bored of it. Especially since not much happened. Then I rejoined the server a few months later and it was just as boring as I remembered.
The only fun thing I found was pissing off staff members, especially since their reactions generally were pretty steamed.
I know what most staff will think: "How is that fun?!" "So mocking us is how you get your kicks?" "That's really fucked up"
And to that I say: Yes. It's all of those above things. Even back when I was admin I got a big kick out of making people upset (obviously).

I don't think at this point, an effort should be made to save the server. The forums are barely active, the server doesn't have much left to it, and overall it isn't worth the effort. The best change J&H could probably make is shrinking it down to just the servers with any players at all in them and are actually worth working on (Parkour, Skyblock and Factions).
If only 3 servers remain more of an effort can be put out updating them with no worries of older minigames being dead and wasting server space.

Arguing on this thread and calling each other out, trying to "roast" each other is literally doing nothing lol.

TL'DR, This suggestion, and all the other suggestions, are not going to be accepted. It's pointless to make roasts and arguments when that's just the cold facts.

 

bro what? first of all, half the shit i get punished for isn't even worth the punishment, and how the fuck is this off-topic?? it's adding onto what's wrong with the server with staff giving out bullshit punishments because they're in a bad mood or just feel like they're being constantly targeted for no reason (which makes them a hypocrite because they target me and watch my every move so they can give me a punishment if i fart the wrong way)
and besides, we both know we got a bunch of time to waste.

that's rich coming from you considering you closed like half of my appeals/reports...

ok but the reason why it's "used over and over again" is because it's fucking true. and if you don't want to be overbearing because you worry that it makes it less fun, then stop being overbearing!!!

don't make me laugh! you're seriously telling me that you get over 300 players on a "good day"?? Bruh last weekend I checked out how many players were on and there weren't even 100 so don't even start with that. if you prove that there were over 300 players online in the last few weeks, i'll give you that. but stop using that excuse "if it were dead then it wouldn't exist!!", it makes your argument look weak.

 

ooga booga! me not know how moderate server!!

 

Wouldn't the HC/OITC/Parkour plugins cause conflictions with each other if placed in the same server

 

You still have yet to answer me about whether or not you would be interested in playing on here as a new player with the current system. This was just an idea thrown out in the blue and I can see why it wouldn't work well. My whole idea is to find a system which will be more appealing to newer players. It's obvious, to me, that the current system is not friendly for players who wish to play, and I believe that it would be healthier in the long run to appeal to new players than to get the easy cash grabs from Factions resets.

I do agree that this is a fair point. I just believe resetting it this often is an exaggeration.

I'm going to say what I would do if I were in charge of the rules. I wish to mention that I am typically very libertarian when it comes to moderating communities.

Firstly, I believe the rules on "harassment" are very harsh and should be relaxed a lot. You will disagree with me on this, but telling someone who I find annoying to "fuck off" or insulting them should not count as harassment. This is a video game server and in every other video game server (except those constipated ass minecraft servers), this stuff is tolerated and seen as normal. I think that when harassment punishments should come into play when it starts being either repeating offenses or obvious attacking towards one's insecurities or character (see the difference between "you suck tryhard" vs. "you're a fat virgin loser who will never get a girlfriend"). The adaptation of this rule (and the next one I'm going to mention) would promote common sense towards players and staff rather than following a complex rulebook.

Secondly, if words like "faggot", "chink", "retard", "beaner" or any other discriminatory word aren't auto-warnable, then n!gger shouldn't be. In fact, I believe that no word should be auto-warnable and it all depends on context. I believe the N word should fall under the same category as the other words I mentioned. I think that people shouldn't be punished for using these words unless they're using it to actively discriminate someone (see the difference between "he said n!gger" vs. "you're such a n!gger"), and that only the words that are more socially unaccepted should warrant an automatic warn for insult (see the difference between "retarded kid" vs. "you fucking faggot"). If this rule was adapted, we would never see situations like when Aran would just pop in chat trying to say the N word in as many non-warnable possibilities possible just to tease staff.

Thirdly, and I think, most importantly, rules about "inappropriate" or "profanity" should (almost) be removed. We all know what Jerry posted in random spam. We know there are sex jokes everywhere on the forums and in-game and that it happens very often that jokes relating to sex get warned and then unwarned when Jerry's thread is mentioned (ask @TreePreserverMan). Noone cares about those rules anymore. Noone feels uncomfortable by seeing "suck my dick" in chat. This type of behavior in chat hurts literally no-one and I think it's time we stop being constipated about inappropriate chats. I think the only exception would be stuff relating to rape (if severe and done in a purposely offensive manner) or stories relating to in-game players (omg! *player* sent me pictures of her tits!!!). Sex jokes or bad words are no big deal. Grow up and have common sense.

Finally, I want to talk about an instance where I was in-game and pretty much everyone was breaking chat rules left-and-right and noone felt offended by it. Noone felt or was insulted, it was just people being idiots in the game chat being inappropriate and saying stupid shit. A (now former) staff member whom I shall not name was online too during this time, and since noone felt offended or was reported, they didn't do anything. I think this kind of behavior should be encouraged towards staff members. If something does not hurt anyone, if noone's security is in play, if noone feels offended, then it shouldn't be punished.

TL;DR: Avoid objectivity and promote common sense, and that, towards staff members and normal players alike. Let the staff members use of their intelligence to tell whether a situation is problematic or not. The players can appeal if they deem what they did didn't hurt anyone. Objectivity in the protocol is the reason why rules are pushed.

 

Nobody has any way to prove this except for the staff members right now who are too suck up to go against admins.

 

What Ezz said is definitely true. Or at least it was when I was staff, and I can't see why the situation would change that dramatically between then and now.

inb4 'wow you're just a suck up as well' - I should clarify I have no intention of applying or anything like that again, so I don't have any motivation to 'suck up' to the admins

 

thats p2w in a nutshell

My point is we don't need a system that is reminiscent of real law when we have like 80 players to moderate.

Your argument is flawed because noone is forced to look at chat, and even less to read it. There's literally an option to disable chat altogether in minecraft. Our players are people who spend time on the internet, which is filled to the brim with this kind of behavior and humor. A very small (negligible per se) percentage of players will be offended by sex jokes in chat. I'm thinking in a very utilitarianist mindset when writing this and it all depends on each person's values and what philosophy they deem "good" for chat moderation. But, anyways, this shit keeps on happening with a vast majority of players in every chat when staff are not there, so why bother moderating it? It's no big deal man. Just inappropriate jokes over the internet. I would like to take this occasion to remind you of Jerry's best-selling masterpiece, "shit motherfucker ass tits", which is a work that is very useful in appeals to show that chat rules about inappropriate content are laughed at by everyone.

I'm having a hard time decrypting the point that you're trying to get across with this paragraph, but what I'm getting is you're proposing to strive away from warnings and limit the punishable content to what actually bothers the players (e.g. what would warrant a temp mute nowadays) as seen through the reports. If that's the case, I see this as a good start to finding a compromise. I am personally not convinced of the efficiency of the warning point system as a moderation tool. It's very hard to end up accumulating enough points to warrant a 'real' punishments, and said punishments are simply small and ineffective. Regardless, the behavior that actually ends up getting people warned are trivialities. I think warnings, as they are seen now, could be completely abolished. I think the next logical step to that would be a certain mute or punishment, perhaps the current tempmute system we have for disruptive players right now, but only if the behavior was really disruptive to chat. If you're comfortable with letting someone go with a virtual point that does practically nothing for behavior that is against the rules, should this behavior really be against the rules?