Trump vs Obama

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  1. safoya299

    safoya299 Donator

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    When that whole tiki torches shit happened in Charlottesville he said "this violence on both sides"?? Where was the violence on both sides a bunch of antifa ppl got injured and killed by a white supremacist driving through them literally. What did he have to say about that?

    He said that all Mexican immigrants are "criminals" and "rapists" which is just generalization and is racist too.
    In 2015, trump supporters beat up a blm protestor and he literally said "maybe he should've been roughed up. it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing".
    He treats most of the racial groups that he insists he "loves" as monoliths by calling them "the hispanics" "the blacks" "the arabs" "the muslims". How is that respectful?

    How is he not racist? There's so many other occasions.
    Good on you for supporting someone who probably doesn't even think of you equally.
     
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    "grab em by the pussy"
     
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  4. noahnoobfax

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    Sorry Saf, but ima have to respectfully disagree with this.

    When he said violence on both sides, that was moreso a political siding than a racism type of thing. Trump in fact, is actually less racist than Hillary, I can elaborate on that if needed. Antifa wasnt nearly as violent as the far right in that instance, however there was violence demonstrated there and he called everyone out for it.

    As far as mexican immigrants go, he did not say every single immigrant coming our country is someone that is here to harm us. Moreso he actually did make a statement that made a ton of sense. He said that mexico isnt sending us their best people, otherwise they wouldnt be sending them. Sure there are families that are genuinely in need of help, however there are people that want to harm us from there.

    How is that last part disrespectful? Seems like the Democratic party loves generalizing too. “Look at that right wing extremeist party, the entire right wing is a threat to this nation”. “All black people deserve a better chance to get into college”. “All rich people hoard their money so tax them more”. Etc etc.

    Give me two solid examples of him being racist and ill take you seriously.
     
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  5. ANumber2Pencil

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    1. The fact that he made a huge deal about Barack Obama's birth certificate is racist. Had Obama been white there wouldn't have been an issue.

    2. He was also sued twice by the justice department for not renting his apartments to black people.
     
  6. Katerina

    Katerina Former Mοd Donator

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  7. ANumber2Pencil

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    But Trump's Casinos never closed in the 80's. That is why I am confused, he went bankrupt in the early 90's and lost half of his share, and screwed over his investors but that still doesn't explain how he ruined Atlantic City in the 80's.
     
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    I said I disliked him in the 80s. Never said they closed.
     
  9. ANumber2Pencil

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    You said he destryoyed Atlantic City in the 80’s by goin bankrupt

     
  10. noahnoobfax

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    1. Not true. That was purely out of political means, not out of racism.
    2. And what came out of that?
     
  11. ANumber2Pencil

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    1. There was literally no reason to say he was born in Africa besides the fact that he was black.

    2. The Trump Corporation eventually settled and said they wouldn’t continue doing that in the future
     
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  12. noahnoobfax

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    Again, not true. Again, it was for politics and politics only, not for the sake of being racist. I dont want to go back and forth with that so im just ending it there.

    Probably so they look good with the public. Its not uncommon for companies to do that in a heated situation just to look better. Not saying that's the definitive reason, however its the most likely reason.
     
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    Please explain to me how exactly that has to do with politics.
    You also never responded to that ^^
     
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  14. noahnoobfax

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    It was to make him look bad and make him seem like a fraud. Not saying I agree with it, but it is what he did in retrospect.




    That guy?^
    From what the video shows, he wasnt punched, kicked, or anything among those lines. He was being shoved out for disturbing the rally. If you got that from the media, whether it be rep/dem leaning, they want views and will do anything to twist that story. By trump saying “maybe he shouldve been roughed up”, he means escorted out with force, not beaten.
     
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  15. ANumber2Pencil

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    Alright I am not going to critique trump anymore, but let me just say Obama had some major accomplishments in the white house. I think its easy to forget all that he has done for America but here are just some of the major points I would like to mention:
    – Passed a universal heath care bill (something democrats have been trying to do for decades but couldn't)
    – Joined the Paris Agreement to combat climate change
    – Lifted Cuban embargo and strengthen the relationship between the two countries
    – Made same sex marriage legal
    – Ended the war in Iraq
    – Ordered for the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden
    – Lowest crime rate in decades
    – Pulled the US out of the Recession we had in 2008
    – The biggest rise in American family incomes in 48 years.
    – lowest jobless claims in 43 years.
    – 14.2 million jobs created.
    – Dow Jones, S&P 500 and NASDAQ all at record highs.
    – Lowest gas prices in decades.
    – Highest solar and wind production ever.
    – Real estate and car industry recovered.

    Sources:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/shreyaa...rgest-gain-last-year-since-2007/#6044e934977c
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-jobless-idUSKCN12D1KL
    https://www.good.is/articles/obamas-achievements-in-office
    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/07/news/economy/obama-15-million-jobs/
    https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/crime-trends1990-2016
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...cks-dow--sp500-thursday-wall-street/88557406/ http://newsroom.aaa.com/2015/12/201...st-in-a-decade-aaa-year-end-gas-price-report/ http://www.awea.org/MediaCenter/pressrelease.aspx?ItemNumber=8463 http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2016/01/20/car-industrys-recovery-isnt-all-american
     
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  16. safoya299

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    That's not true, lmao. There's no way that's what he meant. The words just don't go with it.
     
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  17. MC_Scout

    MC_Scout Fearless Leader Staff Member Manager

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    Obama was a better president then Trump. BUSH was a better then Trump.
    Trump is a complete shitshow and is entirely unfit for office. He uses Twitter and personal attacks to distract people from the real issues.
    Trump calls anything he disagrees with "fake news" to distract people from real and legitimate facts that the media bring up.
    Trump has indisputable ties with Russia, and released the JFK files as a distraction.
    Trump treats black athletes as the scum of the earth, but shows tolerance to white supremacists.
    Trump blatantly lies about things, but people say he is an honest president.
    This is not about democrats vs republicans. This is about right vs wrong.
    Donald Trump is wrong.
     
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