I am pro LGB. Could care less about the "T"

Discussion in 'General Discussion / Real life stuff' started by Only2Genders, Oct 5, 2017.

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Should being transgender be illegal?

  1. Yes, it is wrong!

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  2. No, let them be who they want to be!

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  3. I am against the entire community.

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  1. Smg

    Smg Retired | Also known as 'Phaithful' Donator

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    I mean if someone wants to go through a life-altering surgery because they don't feel like they belong as their birth-gender (or however you may say it), then they can go ahead and I wouldn't care less unless it somehow affects myself or others in a negative way (which I doubt). I can't really speak for feelings/thoughts for those in these situations because..simply, I'm not in their situation whereas they wish to change genders. I don't wanna get into the whole mental illness discussion as I do not know much about it

    It's of course going to be weird for the person experiencing the change and the people around that person because of how abnormal it is from what we as a society have learned to understand for however long we've been on this planet. Not saying people should blatantly go out in public and harass/put down those who've decided to make these decisions, but I feel that the jokes that some friends make to each other in private about the lgbt community or specifically the transgender part of that should be completely acceptable as they are, well, private. I myself say some things I don't mean which are in-private to my friends, may it be highly inappropriate or just plain stupid. The problem comes when these jokes that you make in private go public

    I do not think it should be illegal, but imo the choice to become transgender should be made at-least after a minor has hit puberty and gets a pretty good idea of how they function/how their body works with slowly becoming an adult.

    Only thing I'm iffy about though is the whole gender thing and the prepositions that someone is not primarily male or female, aka, the only two genders that are able to do what the human race is all about (re-population). I've thought of some crazy thing that maybe that with all these new genders that they could be defined as "sub-genders" with the main ones being of course male or female. You'd always be defined as a male or female but allowed to be one of their "sub-genders" without forgetting who you mainly are. Don't get mad lol I'm just thinking with my words, and of course I've never been in the shoes of someone who is transgender so my viewpoints may be very different than yours
     
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    Loocy Donator

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    if you do not care about the idea about being transgender then why do you comment on their lifestyle? let them be. they're doing everything possible to be who they want to be. it's already bad enough that some people who go through the procedure get disowned by their family members. i don't understand why people feel like this affects them in any way. oh and by the way everyone finds a way around illegal shit.
     
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  3. Only2Genders

    Only2Genders

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    The real jokes are transgenders.

    Can I identify as a monkey?

    Because I believe it should be illegal, since people make these decisions due to their mental illness.

    There are only 2 genders. Fact, not opinion.
     
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    Smg Retired | Also known as 'Phaithful' Donator

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    Funni joke xd
     
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    Threads like this should not be allowed to prevent flame wars about how someone wants to live their own life
     
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    Why do you keep talking about there being two genders? Transgenders are people trapped in the wrong body. Do you even know what transgender means kid? You're clearly blowing things out of proportion when you ask if you can be identified as a monkey. It's not like these people are saying they wanna be a toaster. It's simple, they either feel like they identify as a male or a female. Stop being childish. You're not even providing facts or backing up your claim. The real joke is people like you who get on their computers to judge transgenders for trying to feel more comfortable and happier with their own bodies and life style. If you have a problem with transgender people then move to somewhere that it's less common or actually illegal because I'd be damned if it happens in the US.
     
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  7. sebastiann

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    Not to be rude or anything but you're the joke. - sincerely the ""sick"" trans person that you're afraid of.
    Dwell on something else. :')
     
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    Yo lock this thread before everyone gets triggered
     
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  9. Joeyy

    Joeyy Silly Goose of the year 2022 Donator

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    Oh boy, another one of these stupid threads.

    Your point here is very, very stupid. You're telling us you want to illegalise a sexuality you don't necessarily agree with, practically how Hitler illegalised many things and made a lot of propaganda relating to the Jewish people.

    Strong, and in a sort also very dumb comparison I know, Hitler also made rules against LGBT, blacks etc.

    But, you're literally saying that you would make going through a sex change operation, to make the person feel more comfortable in the world illegal? What if they had facial disfigurements? Would you say no to that?

    Also, there's the excuse that transgender is a mental illness. You're saying that you want to illegalise this type of certain mental illness because you don't agree with it. Very prejudicial lol.

    The city I live in has been in a very poor state the last 3 years. Suicide has always sadly creeped into the news. This year, quite a few people have jumped to their death in the River which runs through it, the fastest flowing river in Europe.

    If I became mayor of my city in the future, and illegalised mental illness, that suicide rate would go up, meanwhile since LGBT marriage was legalised in certain countries (Republic of Ireland, USA, Germany etc) suicide rates have gone down, care to explain that?

    Why should being different be illegal?
    After all: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Edit: The only thing I will stand with you on is that there are only 2 genders, the other things you say are wrong.
     
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    ZeusV Former Moderator Donator

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    Why do you make these debate threads, Only2Genders?
     
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    You should not be considering transgenderism or even thinking about it under the age of 21. Your hormones control you. This is a huge life choice that could affect you in the long run.

    Im against it but go for it if youre an adult.
    Why not?
     
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  12. Joeyy

    Joeyy Silly Goose of the year 2022 Donator

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    This I can agree on, you can make this choice at 14, and that's something you deal with for the rest of your life. Let's face it, at some stage we've all had a deep thought regarding our sexuality.
     
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    Honestly transgenders are just people who changed gender (no shit) and you should make them feel what they chose and not ask a stupid question like "are transgenders gay" because that is not possible because if a man wants to become a woman he becomes one thats basically it you dont call him a man then anymore.

    it is possible because changing your LASTname is different that your FIRSTname, its just a way to call you, you dont need to be exactly 18 to change your name so basically he changed genders.
    and by making it illegal is the dumbest thing ive heard because you cant stop someone from being themselves.

    what are you even saying, a transgender isnt a gender its a gender CHANGE.
     
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  14. ThereAre2Genders

    ThereAre2Genders according to all know laws of aviation Donator

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    Ok let’s get some facts in here:

    Transgender, is not a choice. Transgender is caused by a mental disorder known as Gender Dysphoria. Gender Dysphoria basically means you feel uncomfortable in the gender you were born as.

    This can lead to serious issues. Anxiety, Depression, Extreme Self Esteem issues, and in rare cases, self harm and suicide.

    Now, as I believe it has already been stated, the choice to take testosterone or whatever, or to get Gender Reassignemnt Surgery should only be allowed to be made my people above the age of 18. Making that big of a decision as a minor is not good.

    But illegal is too much. It is an infringement on (I believe) the 1st amendment. I believe it is wrong to make it illegal for people to express themselves in whichever way the choose.

    The fact that that’s the first thing that comes to your head when you think “transgender”, makes me wonder....
     
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  15. Defectus

    Defectus I love my wife Donator

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    Nothing that defines a person except for offensive or hurtful behavior should be illegal. Even opinions. Unless you directly take offensive or hurtful action, you can legally even be a Nazi.

    In my opinion, a person's identity consists of two parts: Their activity and their characteristics. You can't hate a person for their characteristics, but you can hate their characteristics specifically. If you want to hate a person, you're gonna have to hate their activity directly.
    For instance, if you have an opinion that differs from mine, I can say that I disagree with you, but that shouldn't make me dislike you more. You were born with some characteristics and raised with more of them. Those are things that you virtually have no control over, so I don't really have the right to call you out if you, say, supported Hitler's actions, because there's a very high chance that you were raised with people telling you about how great Hitler was without telling you how bad he really was. If, however, you directly promoted Nazism and ranted on how all Jews should be burned alive, then, yes, I have every right to call you out, because that's offensive activity.

    In this case, being transgender is a characteristic, not activity. If you hate the way that certain transgender people behave, that's totally fine, and you have the right to dislike them. However, you can't hate all transgender people because of that. Stereotypes are a very good example of going around the fact that you hate someone for their characteristics, because it's essentially saying, "Since all the people that have this characteristic that I've met or seen act like this, it must mean that the behavior is a direct result of the characteristic". No, it isn't.

    One last thing I'd like to point out:
    It's a mental disorder, not a mental illness. Also, depression is also a mental disorder. Should depression be illegal?
     
  16. Katerina

    Katerina Former Mοd Donator

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    Mental disorder=mental illness I think...i may be wrong though
     
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    I have an actual question like, Is going transgender a mental disoorder?
     
  18. Katerina

    Katerina Former Mοd Donator

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    Lol I ain't even on about that I'm saying that mental disorder=mental illness because of his last sentence
     
  19. Defectus

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    They are essentially the same thing, but gender dysphoria (or gender identity disorder), which is usually what leads to becoming transgender, is usually referred to as a disorder. A mental illness would probably be something more extreme, like insanity.
     
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  20. Katerina

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    Still the same but I see your point