The Russians

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  1. t3mptr3s

    t3mptr3s ~ Emotional Support Staff Member ~ Staff Member Mod+

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    That's not entirely true. I call you a Brit because I think it's awesome. I like the differences and I appreciate where people come from. ;)

    This is the most important part. The server is a business. The server is not about who a player likes or dislikes for whatever reason. They follow the rules, that's all that should matter. They don't speak your language, oh well, they don't complain that you don't speak theirs. If I remember correctly Jerry and Harry speak more than just English. So there is that.
     
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    baànnet alè turkmûnsún in kitpvp
     
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    their native language isn't even english, diversity is beautiful
     
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    I'm not entirely sure that it's so much that Turks and Russians are joining en masse, I think it's more so an exodus of English speakers that would normally flood the chat.

    I myself do not like that language barriers exist and would rather they weren't around, but simply phasing out entire languages into one unified global tongue has been tried before and failed. Surprise! It's not simple!

    This is an issue that faces any international gaming community, and while English is one of the most prevalent languages in the world of business, that does not by virtue make it any better or more superior than any other language.

    As an American, I believe it is wrong to discriminate against large groups of people based on a shared trait, and rather individuals should be judged by their own actions. After all, the 1949 Geneva Accords made group punishments a war crime.

    As a server, we can do one of three things:
    1. Take the white supremacist route and make the server primarily English speaking, rejecting and shunning the use of other languages by removing them from the server entirely. This would alienate a large number of people who would otherwise support the community and help fund the server.
    2. Segregation of languages into sub-communities so that everyone is surrounded by those who can understand one another. This would (obviously) divide the community and pose a number of potential conflicts (see American History, Jim Crow Era). Additionally, this route would likely be unstable and resolve into either 1 or 3.
    3. Integration is simultaneously the most promising and most difficult option. It would require a lot of infrastructure, multilingual staff members, and regulation to ensure that integration works, but it is possible. There would still be issues facing this option, but they are fewer and less severe, and allow the server to receive as much support as possible.
     
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  6. Ezzerland

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    You shouldn't have to? Kind of like how they shouldn't have to deal with your prejudice and rage just because you can't speak their language?

    This is a very toxic line of thinking. Gaming is universal. All are welcome here.

    Here you go, you're now fluent in bad translations of all languages Yandex knows. If this isn't good enough, perhaps consider your own approach.
     
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    @TwageTomato Awesome post. Thank you for your time and effort you put into it. < 3
     
  8. ShadowFlames

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    Hmm, big claim. Can you tell me what it is Russian speakers are saying that is so dreadful it is tearing J&H apart? Can you tell me anything at all that Russian speakers are even saying?
    Using your logic, lets hypothetically suggest that you never learnt English, or were never even given the opportunity to learn English and you can only speak Spanish. Congrats, you have been banned. If we're talking all English speaking based communities, congrats, you have been banned from Hypixel, Mineplex, Hive, Badlion, Cubecraft and pretty much most of the other biggest servers as well.
    Rip me lol
    I get this one tho because it happens to me a lot, maybe ask a few ppl on SL to come back occassionally idk what else sry
     
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  9. sool

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    It is good that we are getting way more players! But one thing I have a problem with.
    While other players don't have a problem with it some staff do. Because they have a problem translating Russian words and can lead to a person not being punished because the translation is wrong.
     
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    Then maybe they should reconsider being staff. Granted, I have a lot of resources at my disposal. Friends from other games that translate for me etc.
     
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    i don't understand what the big deal is? i mean i don't see why it's a bad thing, there's still a fair amount of english players on this server, it isn't like the russians have completely taken over the server. it's kind of unfair to join a server and to be kicked or banned just because you don't speak english. what if you went onto a russian server and were banned for speaking english? i don't see how it's fair and i don't see how it's ruining the server. there's just more russian players on, that's really it
     
  12. Glass

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    if you play this server for the games, then just dont pay attention to chat or turn it off if it bugs you that much. or if you're playing with friends, call with them, or message them through a different platform. its not that much of a problem.
     
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    We did try to make the server english only at some point, it didn't work out very well :^)

    With that experience in mind (of banning hundreds of people because of their language), which in itself and in retrospective is quite racist, I think the greater good for the server is for these people to just be allowed to spend their time here in their own way, as long as they respect the rules around here.

    If you love this server to bits as you say in your thread @Joel , you'll learn to live with this, as this only prolongs the lifespan of the server. I understand where you are coming from, but you'll eventually realize that this isn't so bad as it seems.
     
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    U tried to make it English only ? Ur saying fucking racist
     
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    Damn, this sure was interesting to read.

    As someone who's first and native language isn't English, I find this very odd.
    People on the streets outside speak Dutch here, sure. But when we hear someone speaking another language, we honestly don't give a fuck.
    I can't imagine playing on the server and being banned for speaking Dutch or German. If your friend asks you something on public chat, in whatever language, you should be able to reply back in that same language. Why should a person ever be limited to what language they speak?
    Could you imagine a French speaking server, and then an English YouTuber starts making videos there, and a lot of English people start joining. Are they gonna speak French? Ofc not. Because a lot of people speak English there too now, so why would they.
    Ive witnessed the situation on farmking myself as well. And I'm disgusted. Not by the Russians, no, by the comments that English speakers were throwing around. Some were just racist, and it just wasn't something nice to see.

    In conclusion, just stop. Complaining isn't going to help in the first place, especially with the amount of Russian players that came in. And as @TheMint said, I don't understand your logic at all...
     
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    Simply forcing the Turks or Russians to leave because they do not speak your native language is not fair to anyone or productive in the slightest. Yes it can be frustrating dealing with someone who does not speak your language and trying to have to navigate around a language barrier but forcing them out is quite rude and borderline racist in my opinion. The server was slowly dying and seeing more players come on and seeing various games become more active is great and suggesting that we remove any non-English speaker is counterproductive as we can simply get more staff members who speak those languages. As someone who is fluent in both English and Arabic it's disheartening to see more and more comments and threads putting down these groups just because they don't speak English.
     
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  17. Joel

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    You all act as if I was saying something that you've never heard before.

    Right, you imagine a new player, and the multiple that join the server everyday. As soon as they log in, the whole chat is a language that they do not understand, do you really think they will stay? Would you stay? Its all alright for us because we know whos who, but for those new comers, its just as if they are joining a turkish/russian server.

    We are losing english players and gaining non-english speaking players. Numbers may go up, but whats the point in having a staff team then, or a forums or having all the game rules in english. It's just going to get out of hand before we even know it.

    Plus, things like these are happening everyday in the world on a larger scale, half the server can come and hate at me, but can't go and make a difference in this world? Come on, wake up. You want to keep our server alive?

    'Oh oh, you just want them to leave cause they dont talk english blah blah blah' Fucking hell, I don't care if they talk russian, turkish, japanese or latín. Ever since mass amount of people that speak different languages joined the server, it's been dying. Skyblock used to be filled, no, rammed with people, now you go on there, theres just turks insulting eachother in chat.

    Its happening with Farm King with russians. Can you please just look at this from my view and not from over there with your mates, holding hands and thinking you rule the world.
     
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    We did, and we disagree. It's as simple as that. Some people might react more aggressive but that doesn't mean we think we ''rule the world''. You gave your opinion, we gave ours back.
     
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    Do you just not care about your players anymore? Is that what its come to
     
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    Did I say that? No. You have to realize that those ''Russians'' are ALSO players. Would you like to be banned for speaking your native language on a game? I think it's just complete bullshit.
     
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